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REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
July 1, 1999
8:00 A. M.
The City Council of the City of Lubbock, Texas met in regular session on the 1st
day of July, 1999, in Committee Room 103, City Hall, 1625 13th Street, Lubbock,
Texas at 8:00 A. M.
8:16 A. M. CITY COUNCIL CONVENED
Committee Room 103, 1625 13th Street, Lubbock, Texas
Present: Mayor Windy Sitton, Mayor Pro Tem Max Ince, Councilmember
Alex "Ty" Cooke, Councilmember Victor Hernandez,
Councilmember Marc McDougal, Councilmember David Nelson,
Councilmember T. J. Patterson; Bob Cass, City Manager; Anita
Burgess, City Attorney; and Kaythie Darnell, City Secretary.
( 1.) Invocation was given by Councilmember Marc McDougal.
(2.) Pledge of Allegiance was given in unison by those present.
( 3.) Review of the Proposed FY 1999-2000 Annual Budget and Capital
Projects Budget for the City of Lubbock.
Robert Doty, Municipal Court Judge
Anna Mosqueda, Director of Management Services
City Council discussion as to rates and enterprise funds. City Attorney
to review subsidizing concerns.
Debra Forth, First Assistant City Manager, Rate Model.
9:30 A. M. COUNCIL RECESSED
10:00 A. M. COUNCIL RECONVENED
City Council and staff discussion in reference to the stormwater issue as
pertains to the playa lake system. Engineering report is due in six (6)
weeks.
Ty Cooke, Councilmember, Electric Utility De -regulation.
11:30 A. M. COUNCIL RECESSED
1:08 P. M. COUNCIL RECONVENED
Transcript of Council's comments:
Mayor Sitton: Bob, I have a question. It has to do with... I know you
and Debbie have mentioned from time to time that you have been able to
fund so many projects and not issue debts, because of good money
management. Would you have any idea about how much money that
would be?
Bob Cass: I had a slide yesterday, and the Water and Sewer Fund,
roughly $56 million over about a ten-year period in water and sewer, the
Water and Sewer Fund. That is about 28 % of our capital spending over
that period of time, in those two funds.
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Mayor Sitton: And so, what we're saying is many or most cities issue
debt to fund those, but because of a variety of reasons why you have
been able to save money, you're able to pay for them later.
Bob Cass: I wouldn't want to speak to what other cities are doing, I
haven't looked at that. But I would say 28 % cash flowing on major
projects that are debt eligible is a pretty good ratio, we think.
Mayor Sitton: I know you have a lot of questions. Who's ready?
Councilmember Ince: I'm just going to throw out some general questions
that anyone can answer. We spoke yesterday of the GSI Information
Services, and I think you've asked for one additional personnel in that
department. I know that this has been an ongoing project for several
years, and I would just like to know when you project completion in
bringing all that system up. It's GIS; I put GSI, I don't know why.
Jim Bertram: This initial funding is to do the digital ortho photography.
Before we get all the overlays, the departmental layers on, we've got to
complete the digital ortho photography base maps. And this is being
funded over a three-year period.
Councilmember Ince: We've been on this project for how long, Jim?
Jim Bertram: Well, we've been doing the base maps, the parcel maps for
about a three-year period. This particular set of maps, thi's is something
we wanted to do initially, and that was create the digital ortho
photography maps. We didn't do that; in other words, that actually ties
it to a geographic base. What we have right now is we can go in and
retrieve data, but you have to do it on a range of parcels that is tied to
the tax appraisal district. This action creates a set of maps that are geo-
reference but also computer generated aerials that have the quality of an
aerial photograph, but yet they have the geometric properties of an
actual measured base map. This is what we would have liked to have
done three years ago, but the cost of this type of technology has come
down by over 100% since we first started talking about it. This takes us
to the level that we wanted to go originally but couldn't afford it.
Councilmember Ince: With the addition of this one person, once we get
all this on line, will we still need the same number of personnel working
in that area?
Jim Bertram: I don't think the number of personnel would come down.
You've got to maintain the system, so the answer is no.
Mayor Sitton: Along those same lines, before Councilman Ince
continues, is it safe to assume that we're going to have a fairly large
technological item every year? I mean, that's just the "nature of the
beast" this day and time, isn't it?
Bob Cass: Yes, ma'am.
Councilmember Ince: Well, it's a wonderful project. 1 know we
discussed it a number of years ago, and when it's fully implemented it's
going to be much further reaching than... I understand a contractor can
come in here and sit down on the computer and get information that he
needs off of it, instead of going to the water department, to the electric
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department, he can get all that at kind of a "one -stop shopping" type
deal. So, it's going to be a big advantage to the public, also, as well as
to our staff.
Jim Bertram: This was the number one recommendation of Land Data
Consulting Group that came in here and looked at the appraisal district,
looked at the county, looked at the city in trying to get some way where
we consolidate and coordinate our mapping system. And this was the
one way which we can create some economies by having one base map
system as geo-reference.
Councilmember Ince: Thank you. That's just the question I had on that.
Councilmember Cooke: What's the status of the tax appraisal district in
melding all this stuff together?
Jim Bertram: Good time for Sally to show up. She has been our liaison
on that.
Sally Abbe: We're actually expecting our draft report from the
consultants, Land Data Associates from San Antonio, on that
consolidation today. So I don't have all the recommendations in hand,
but we've had a really good series of meetings with 9-1-1 and the tax
appraisal district. I think we're many, many miles closer to an answer
and a common solution than we were just a few, even a few months ago.
I think it's going to be something that we can all live with.
Councilmember Cooke: Like Mike said, this is going be a tremendous
tool for this community, once it all comes together. It's going to be
really something.
Sally Abbe: We're really excited about the advances we've made just in
the last few months.
Councilmember Cooke: It can be accessed on the Intranet, can't it?
Sally Abbe: Eventually.
Councilmember Cooke: We'll be able to.
Sally Abbe: The base maps are available on the Internet right now, and
we'll be moving more of our applications that way within the next few
months.
Councilmember Cooke: Thank you.
Councilmember Ince: Next set of questions. I want to talk about this
legislative person. I've got a series of questions, and I'll try to just take
those one at a time. If the Council approves this budget with this person
on there, when do you expect that person to come aboard?
Bob Cass: Well, we wouldn't have the authority to hire anybody until the
budget began, which will be October 1. Now, we might start recruiting
earlier than that, although typically by the time we put a job description
together and start the recruiting process, I really would be surprised if
we had anybody on board by October 1st. But we could, technically we
wouldn't hire them until at least, that would be the earliest, but probably
later than that.
Councilmember Ince: What is your estimation, do you have an estimation
when that person will be hired?
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Bob Cass: No, sir. As soon as possible, but we really don't know.
Councilmember Ince: Can you kind of give me, have you worked out a
job description for that person?
Bob Cass: That's what I was saying: We have not yet put the job
description you would advertise together, but basically what we would
have them do is, in the off season it is very typical for both the Senate
and the House and the Governor to appoint various study committees.
Ty monitored the last two off seasons, I believe the de -regulation bill, so
there are typically any number of issues that would need to be studied.
We are also finding numerous groups with whom we need to form
alliances, and we don't even know who they are, the county associations,
the major urban counties.
Councilmember Cooke: Can I address this? The best work will be done
between now and the next session, not during the session. You cannot
start and be effective by showing up in those guys' offices in Austin. You
can badger them to death and make them hate you forever, but if you
form the liaison and the relationships, those bridges have got to be built,
and the sooner, well, what I said up there a while ago, we're starting
now. There's no wait to it. You've got to have all your ducks in line
before you get there. The more important work will be done during, as
Bob called it, the off season.
Councilmember Ince: Along with that, Ty, I assume that this person
would coordinate all the legislative matters, if he needs testimony from a
staff person or needs testimony from a council person, he is going to be
the one, or she is going to be one to coordinate and make those type of
decisions.
Bob Cass: And we would also want to use this person in Washington.
Frankly, we spent most of our efforts in Austin, and there's a lot ground
we can make up in Washington, too, we think.
Councilmember Cooke: And it will still require, there's still a role for
Randy/Susan type people. They have their function, but these people all
work for various and sundry diverse interests. And I'm not being critical
at all, because they did a good job and they worked hard.
Mayor Sitton: But what happened is they did such a good job for us that
other cities started hiring them.
Councilmember Cooke: That's true. But they're diluted, and we need
somebody that's primary function in life is to keep track of--T. J., how
many bills did you say were filed just affecting...
Councilmember Patterson: 1,400. I mentioned the state legislators, but
also the county officials; they, too, must be held accountable because we
had some information the other week at the state level in the county
areas, and maybe things came out towards cities. People are playing for
keeps, and this can help us in many areas. Let me leave something else
with you. Along about January of next year, the new TML president will
be appointing about 100 people to serve on various committees. And
that person, as well, should tie in with that because you've got a lot of
expertise, a lot of networking that's involved with that. So keep that in
mind, there's so many things that we can do. But I guarantee you, it's
going to get pretty critical.
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Councilmember Cooke: In my mind, this person is going to coordinate
all these resources and make sure the bases get covered. TML has got a
tremendous amount of expertise and a long time and a lot of people
working for them covering a lot of ground. But they're working for all
the cities, and we need somebody that's looking out for Lubbock.
Councilmember Ince: I agree, because when we first got here, we were
not nearly as active legislatively as we are today. Over the last two
legislative sessions I know it's taken a tremendous time with various
council people, certainly with legal, I think Debbie was the liaison for
staff two years ago. I forgot your name during that time because I never
saw you, but really I think, and I'm for this, it seems to me that we
could, even when we are adding a person in this job, overall it would
probably save us money.
Councilmember Cooke: Or make us money.
Councilmember Ince: I'm not just talking about money, but staff time,
council time.
Councilmember Patterson: What kind of person are we looking for?
Councilmember Patterson: We're looking for a person of this caliber.
Councilmember Cooke: You said you hadn't written your description yet,
have you?
Bob Cass: Right, we're working on it.
Councilmember Ince: Do you think we could even lower the lobbying
costs ?
Bob Cass: Possibly, long term; I think, though, short term, depending on
who we hire, they may not have the contact that our current folks do.
But long term, we think that might be a possibility.
Councilmember Cooke: Or it might at least keep us from incurring more.
Councilmember Hernandez: Along those lines --and I'm very much in
favor of doing this as well --I had requested that you provide us with some
information as to what our lobbying costs were for this past session.
Bob Cass: That's right.
Councilmember Hernandez: So, I think in the long run this will save us
money, but I'd like to be made aware of how much it did cost.
Bob Cass: When you meant more than lobbying costs, you also meant
travel costs...
Councilmember Hernandez: Travel costs, and not just regardless of
which pocket it came out of. The other thing is you and I had visited on
this topic, and I had recommended that this city --and I don't know if the
other council members agree or not --but that this city start forming some
stronger alliances with the larger cities across the State of Texas.
Because I know the County Association of Governments, they do that and
they're able to advocate a little bit better on particular issues. And I
think that's a move that maybe we ought to take a look at.
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Bob Cass: There used to be, back when I was doing legislation, this was
ten or twelve years ago, the major cities that had full-time lobbyists and
a couple of cities that were part-time had an informal association. I
don't know that it's ever been formalized. I know the major urban
counties do exactly what you're talking about. Their interests are just
somewhat more different from the more rural counties, so we would
agree with that.
Councilmember Cooke: Some think it's kind of a by-product of having
somebody on. And really, we do that. I think when you've got common
interests, which is the only time it's going to be effective anyhow.
Bob Cass: But it's probably more effective if you're working full time on
it.
Councilmember Cooke: If you've got somebody full time where they
know just exactly and they can call "Joe" instead of "Mr. Smith ".
Bob Cass: Well, that's how we met Randy Cain. Randy was doing that
job for Dallas; I was doing it for Lubbock, and that's how we met Randy
Cain.
Councilmember Patterson: How do you feel about this? From time to
time, invite our state legislators back to come to a session, like a work
session. Communicate with them, it's a two-way street. They work for
us, but at the same time a dialogue in these quarters would make a lot of
sense. It puts us on the same plain, on the same team. I highly would
encourage something like that as we look at the upcoming session. I
think that's important. That gives them support. I'm not running their
business, what I'm saying is it puts us on the same playing field.
Councilmember Cooke: There's been a tremendous amount of interaction
with our state elected officials during this last session. In fact, when they
had their news conference over there, Senator Duncan said that he
thought that I had taken over his office. I was in it more than he was
some days.
Councilmember Ince: We've given the freeport exemption tax, which
goes in effect October 1 for anyone that has applied. I know that we had
one estimate. At this point --and I say this point because there certainly
could be applications in following years --about $280, 000 in revenue was
lost because of the freeport exemption. Of course, that's designed to
encourage certain businesses to locate and to expand in Lubbock. I think
that we have also asked from the Solid Waste Fund, what was the
percentage that we had asked from them to fund community development,
6% ? Does that correlate to what, about $1 million, is that right?
Bob Cass: Actually, it was a million new this year, and then we had, it
was closer to $1.1 million or $1.2 million. The new portion is a million
but the total is about $1.1 million or $1.2 million.
Councilmember Ince: Of course, Market Lubbock is going to pay the
$280, 000.
Bob Cass: Right.
Councilmember Ince: So, the net to them even with this increase is not
going to be...
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Bob Cass: That's correct.
Councilmember Ince:...they've still got to fund the $280,000. Is it an
agreement between them in the future years that, if the freeport
exemption tax grows from this $280, 000, that they will also participate in
the same manner?
Bob Cass: Yes, and I would say that's not in a written agreement,
because remember, you the Council, we hold that Community
Improvement Fund. And so we would simply put that much less in it, but
it would be basically a revenue back to the General Fund.
Councilmember Ince: That's all I have at this point
Mayor Sitton: Bob, I just wanted to reiterate a point that I think is
important, because sometimes our citizens misunderstand this. When
we're talking about the 4 % pay raise for employees, people have a
tendency to think everybody in the City organization will receive a 4%
pay raise. Would you address that, please? Because that is not true, not
everyone receives a 4 % raise.
Bob Cass: Now, first of all let me speak to civil service. Under civil
service law, we are required to pay people in the same rank, with the
same tenure, the same amount of money. So in that case, the firefighters
and the police officers will receive an across-the-board raise, police 6%
and firefighters 4%. In addition, the firefighters have assignment pay,
which would receive that increment if the Council approves that. For
other, non -civil service employees we have what's called merit based
pay. Now we will have a small increase in base pay in the salary ranges
for employees, probably about less than one-half of that 4 % would just
be to increase the pay grades there. But, you've got to earn the balance
through merit. Bottom line, what happens is there's an average 4 % rate
increase. Debbie might get eight; I might get zero based on our
performance. But you're correct: It is not automatic for non -civil service
employees.
Mayor Sitton: And then, one other question. This has to do with what
Councilman Nelson asked yesterday and Councilman Cooke kind of
alluded to it, that it is ongoing. I know we're looking at insurance costs.
Do you have any idea what that might cost us, the range? Is that going
to increase our budget?
Bob Cass: Well, we have plugged in an assumption that there will be an
approximate 8 % increase in costs just to maintain the same level of
coverage for employees. We're in a bid mode now, and I think those
bids close the 8th, so we can give you more information, we would bring
that back to Council...
Councilmember Nelson: Are you referring to health insurance or are you
referring to liability insurance?
Mayor Sitton: Liability insurance; I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear,
liability insurance.
Bob Cass: You wanted to know how much we budgeted?
Mayor Sitton: I know that we're looking at that, and I was just trying to
think into the future about next year's budget or maybe redoing it in
August before we approve the budget.
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Bob Cass: We have some bids out on the liability, too. August 12 will be
when we have the budget hearing, but we'll be analyzing it probably in
time for the budget. But, again, we're in agreement with the city
attorney's office. We want to look at some different ways; we're
fundamentally self insured now, but we think that we can, if the
marketplace has changed enough, we'd like to apply some umbrella type,
some stop loss type of insurance and maybe give ourselves a little bit
better coverage. But that's being analyzed, will be analyzed at the end
of the month.
Mayor Sitton: And we don't know how substantially that might impact
the budget?
Bob Cass: No.
Councilmember Ince: One comment I would make --and I think we
certainly can't use this as a guideline —but just recently you had gone out
to worker's compensation to the marketplace, which we had been self
funded. Not comparing our current, what was bid and what bid we took,
but I would like to ask Mary that, considering all the bids, they were
considerably less than what we had been putting in that fund, isn't that
correct?
Mary Andrews: Yes, they did come in smaller amounts almost every
time. Most of the bids came in less than what we were self -insuring, but
what we're seeing is that we're having to shift what we were self
insurance in worker's comp because that has changed, but liability has
been going up, so we've just kind of been shifting that money over into
the liability side. And we're going to be looking specifically at police
liability and electric utility, in those two areas, along with the umbrella
coverage.
Councilmember Cooke: But that's how the situation has changed,
though, because we were paying a lot more than what it was costing us
to self insure when we started doing that five years ago.
Councilmember Ince: No, about ten years ago.
Mary Andrews: Yes, it's been since before I came. I came in 1988 and I
think that happened in 198Z
Councilmember Nelson: Before the tort reform bill.
Councilmember Ince: That's correct. There's been a lot of changes in
legislative process in dealing with both worker's compensation as well as
tort reform, which has driven the price down in the insurance lines.
Probably when that decision was made in 1987, it was probably a good
decision, but things have changed drastically, and that's why the staff
has decided to go out and look at that one more time. And I think it's
going to, in my estimation, it's going to be a cost -saving thing.
Councilmember Hernandez: I just had a couple of questions. You're
recommending a 6% increase to the police. Where does that put us as
far as any out of the ordinary increases to the police next year? In other
words, are they going to be back to the same level as pretty much
everybody else?
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Bob Cass: Well, it's sort of a moving target. Last year, about the time
we went to the budget hearings, you'll recall we heard that Austin was
giving like a 14 or IS% rate increase. So our objective was to move to
the head of the pack. What we've always said, at least for the 20 some
odd years I've been here, is that basic city employee compensation --
which we try to be at the middle of the pack, not toward the end, not
toward the front, but we felt comfortable in the middle --but what we told
you last year was the police compensation, since we're having so much
difficult competing and since the pipeline is shrinking in terms of people
coming in, we wanted to move to the head of the pack. It depends on
how aggressively the other cities give raises. Mary has done some
survey work. Mary, you might want to step up to the podium and kind of
tell what you know.
Mary Andrews: In our salary survey work, what we have currently, as
we have been for quite a number of years, we are ahead of west Texas
cities that were behind metroplex cities in terms of the information that
Ken showed you, the surveys that did show the same trend, and that's
been pretty much the same for the last ten years. What we did is a brief
survey of cities, right now when we're going into our budget process so
is everyone else. So many cities couldn't give us a reply, so what they
would give in raises next year, but a lot of them were around the five to
six percent increase, of the ones that we could get answers from.
Councilmember Hernandez: So far as trying to gain some ground and
becoming the leader of the pack, where do you think this will place us?
Mary Andrews: That won't make us leader of the pack in the State of
Texas. It still puts us ahead of west Texas cities and probably a little bit
lower than the metroplex cities. But then, again, when we go out and
recruit --and Bill Carter, Anthony, and Delores who are out there meeting
with people --we looked at our whole package. We talked to them about
the car that they get that's not included with most cities, so we look at
that total compensation package.
Councilmember Hernandez: So how do we compare with those cities as
far as the total package is concerned?
Mary Andrews: There's only two cities that give take home cars, so if
you calculate that in, I mean I can't give you the bottom line figure, but I
think we're competitive with most Texas cities.
Councilmember Hernandez: So you think next year we'll be, assuming
everybody is doing even 6% this year or up to 6% this year, are we
going to look to basically maintain this or increase it or you just don't
know?
Mary Andrews: I think with the few cities, there were only about six or
seven that could give an answer, so it's hard to say, but I think we're
probably just staying even. I don't know that we're launching out and
getting really ahead of the pack. And that might be something to think
about in the future.
Councilmember Hernandez: The other question I had was that you're
proposing a no property tax rate increase, but you say nothing about a
property tax rate decrease. How much of a possibility is that, Bob? I
know we've had, I think the last thing I read was something about we've
had a tax rate decrease for the last five years, ten years?
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Bob Cass: Well, we've reduced I want to say over the last few years, I
hesitate to say how many years, the last three or four or five years,
property taxes have gone down six cents. Now, five of that was voted by
the public, and they simply substituted a sales tax for a property tax, then
on top of that, we reduced it another one penny. But in addition,
remember, we took on eight cents worth of new capital, debt service and
operating costs there as well.
Councilmember Cooke: That five cents was a little more than what was
authorized in the election.
Bob Cass: Right.
Councilmember Cooke: In the election it was like four -and -a -half and we
made it five, so the Council actually did twice lower the tax rate.
Bob Cass: I'm not projecting in the near future a, but I'll be
recommending a property tax reduction, because as I was telling you, all
of our margins are thinning out and the second biggest revenue stream in
the General Fund is the property tax, excuse me, the sales tax, and the
economy is simply substantially cooler now than it has been. Now, if
your question is how much can we cut property taxes, give me a number
and we can do it, but there will be consequences in terms of what we
don't do anymore in service areas.
Councilmember Hernandez: Well, and that's the one thing I don't want
to do. I don't want us to, because one of the other things that I want to
make sure that we do is maintain adequate reserves, as well.
Bob Cass: Our General Fund liquid reserves are very healthy. It took us
a number of years, some of the, especially Mr. Patterson was on the
Council, when we were far below what the bond raters want, but we
have our two -month liquid operating reserves, and the bond raters are
very pleased with that. But it took us about ten years to get there.
Councilmember Hernandez: Your recommendation is to keep it at $0.58?
That is 58 per 100.
Bob Cass: Yes, and again, remember that next year we will be
receiving --not the forthcoming year but the subsequent year --will be
receiving the revenue from the newly annexed area that we're not getting
this year. But we're also this year taking in a new fire station.
Councilmember Cooke: With our sales tax flattening, some of the
indicators that we looked at, Bob's presentation yesterday morning, even
if we could squeeze out some kind of token tax decrease, which is all that
would be possible would be a token tax decrease, very likely we would
have to just turn around and capture it again in the next year or so. And
I think that, personally, I would prefer and a lot of people I know would
prefer because I've had this discussion with them, keep that rate flat than
to have it move up and down.
Councilmember Hernandez: No, and I totally agree, and that's why I'm
asking about it, to make sure that this particular tax rate that we've got,
I'm not going to be at all in favor of decreasing it. But, I would like to
see if we can't maintain it for as long as possible.
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Bob Cass: Absolutely. It's been years since we increased the tax rate. I
recall a three penny tax increase I want to say a decade or two ago when
we added 16 police officers. But in my 23 years here I only recall one
tax increase, and I believe that was it. There might have been one
earlier in my career. We always operate from the premise we'll
recommend as much as we can, taking what we get from re-evaluations
and new construction, but the premise we always start from when we
start building the budget is we're not going to be able to recommend a
tax increase.
Councilmember Hernandez: The last question I've got has to do with the
surpluses that individual departments have at the end of the year. I was
kind of under the impression that those normally fall to the bottom line,
do they not?
Bob Cass: Uh-huh.
Councilmember Hernandez: This year there's a recommendation by the
police department to use that surplus for technology, to a large extent.
What I would like to see is, if the police department through that
discretionary fund that they've got available to them, which granted, I
think they have $150, 000 or so, can be used for that purpose and then
whatever shortage there is to be made up by that surplus. Instead of all
of it coming out of the surplus and then have the additional $150, 000.
The reason why is because it's my understanding that that particular
discretionary fund is limited as to its use, and this is one of the uses that
it can be used for. And that kind of gives us a very easy solution to their
problem, which we need addressed.
Bob Cass: Just so the Council is aware, the fund that Mr. Hernandez is
talking about, when the police department seizes drug dealers'
equipment, vehicles and all like that, eventually that is sold and the
money comes back to the police department. And it is, by law, put in a
fund, it must be used for law enforcement purposes and it cannot be
used, in essence, to relieve the General Fund of an expense that it's
always been incurring. But it can be used for new technology or new
items, and that's essentially what we've been using. I believe the
infrared technology, the technology we showed you a couple of weeks
ago where they are building the crime scene digitally and all like that,
that's been the source of that funding. So, we've been using it that way,
anyway.
Councilmember Hernandez: And in fact, the idea came from the police
chief when he made his presentation, because he kept referring to the
fact that criminals had paid for this and that and the other, and I would
like for the criminals to continue paying for this, that, and the other
whenever we can. Plus, I kind of want to discourage department heads
from thinking that maybe at the end of the next budget cycle, if they've
got some monies left over that it's not going to fall to the bottom line.
Bob Cass: Well, again, that is a management decision. We do not leave
that discretion with the department heads. We capture all of that money,
but that was a recommendation while the chief and his staff made that
presentation to the Council, that was a recommendation that senior
management supported. But it does fall through to the bottom line,
however, we bring it back to you, and it's allocated by the Council upon
a recommendation from us.
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Councilmember Hernandez: Right.
Mayor Sitton: Bob, I'd like for you to elaborate on the question that
Councilman McDougal asked yesterday. Admittedly, we're not raising
the tax rate. And then we always get criticism from the citizens: "Well,
they may not be raising the tax rate, but our taxes are going up!" And I
don't want us to be in a position where we are trying to mislead anyone.
So, can you tell us... My understanding is with the re -appraisals, not
every home in Lubbock is re -appraised every year like a lot of people _
think. Some values go down and some go up; some go up more than
others. How much money did we get this past year from those things
that Marc asked for yesterday, the new construction, the re-evaluations,
and what else?
Councilmember McDougal: The tax rate, the difference between last
year and this year is $227 million. $148 million of that is from new
construction, and $79 million of that is from re-evaluations.
Anna Mosqueda: Total revenue to the General Fund from re-evaluations
was approximately $677, 000. So that's the main, the re-evaluations, if
you take the amount, and then I say total revenue and then, of course,
part of that goes to Market Lubbock for the three cents we give them,
and that was part of that revenue.
Councilmember McDougal: Anna gave out a, this morning --and I don't
have it right here in front of me —she gave us...
Bob Cass: Yes, it's in the packet that we handed out this morning with all
the questions from yesterday.
Mayor Sitton: On the appraisal district, do they re-evaluate homes like
once every four years, once every five years?
Councilmember Patterson: They go by quads, every four years.
Councilmember Cooke: Three.
Mayor Sitton: So, every three years they revalue certain segments of the
city, and it's ongoing, as a minimum.
Debra Forte: I think they are required by state law to do it every three
years.
Mayor Sitton: And they changed the law, didn't they, this year about the
percentage?
Bob Cass: A cap, yes. Anna explained the other day, in the past if your
values went up 30%, when they came around that third year then you
would pay that much more. Now they are capping the increase at 10%.
I believe, though, in subsequent years you could get another ten and
another ten, but it could not be all at once. But that's a new feature,
that's probably not the most recent session...
Councilmember Cooke: It was '97, yeah.
Bob Cass: ... that the legislature passed that.
Mayor Sitton: And even though that we, as a city, benefit from those re-
evaluations we don't have anything to do with setting them. That's
important for people to know, because they think we do it all.
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Councilmember Ince: That's very, very important, Mayor, because
many, many people think that someone on the city staff says, "Well, we
need more tax money, we'll go out there and re-evaluate them. " I know
people who have had that experience when they get their tax notice and
re-evaluation, the same experience I find mine out when I get my notice.
I have no prior notice of it, just like any other citizen. But, for some
reason, people think it's the City of Lubbock that does re-evaluate. Our
position in this, we get to appoint what, two board members?
Councilmember Cooke: One and a half or something.
Bob Cass: Right.
Councilmember Ince: Two board members to this and the other taxing
entities, and that's run by a board.
Councilmember Cooke: An independent board.
Councilmember Ince: An independent board, we don't have any control
over what the taxing entity does when it goes out to do re-evaluation.
We have no say so, and I think by law we're not supposed to have say
so.
Bob Cass: That's correct.
Councilmember Cooke: State law governs that whole deal; that's
absolutely run by state law that is specifically for that, and that tax
appraisal district is represented, and the boards are appointed by all of
the taxing entities in Lubbock County: Slaton, Lubbock County,
Wolfforth, Frenship School District, Lubbock School District, Cooper.
Anyhow, you see what I'm saying. They all have input on appointments
to the board; that's why it's in fraction. It depends on how much you
receive, what your tax rate is compared to the others, or tax valuation as
compared to the others. And that's why it comes out in fractions: we
have one point something appointments to that board.
Councilmember McDougal: But the overall tax rate, I think it was
pointed out yesterday that the City of Lubbock's share of this is what,
24%?
Bob Cass: Roughly, yes.
Debra Forte: Yes. I think, Mayor, the confusion is the legislature made
changes and it would be before you were seated; it would be 12 or 14
years ago. Those agencies were a government department for the city,
and the legislature split it out, so that they would be separate, so that
they assessed professionally and then you determine the tax rate. So
that's happened in the last...
Councilmember Ince: Well, actually, the way it works is we say we need
"X" number of dollars; they have the evaluation, and then you compute a
tax rate off of it. We give them the money in our budget, they know the
evaluation, so who sets the tax rate?
Bob Cass: I think we do.
Councilmember Ince: Well, indirectly, they do, but we do set the budget.
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Mayor Sitton: It's kind of difficult for some people to understand,
because they really have no intention, they think, of ever selling their
home. But I know if I were going to sell my home I would be very upset
if it hadn't increased in value each year, so that when I went to sell it I
could either make some money or at least get my money back. So it's a
double-edged sword.
Councilmember Cooke: State law requires them to, their target is to
market value. That's what they are supposed to do by state law, 100%
of the market value. If it's too high, if they have made a mistake and
made it too high, you can just go visit with them. If they have made that
mistake, they will make the correction.
Mayor Sitton: Okay, I have one other question and then I'll be through.
It has to do with the increase in the sewer, the 3 % increase in the sewer.
Tell me again why we need that increase. I understand the water,
because we've got a capital project out there, and the citizens have
known about that. Why do we need that sewer increase?
Bob Cass: I'll let Debbie go into the detail numbers, but our rate models
that we displayed to you were projecting that, not the year that we're
talking about now but the subsequent year, we would need a 6% rate
increase, fundamentally to keep our reserves up. As Debbie showed you
today, we're really drawing down our rate stabilization reserves. I
believe in this year alone we're looking at drawing down rate
stabilization $1.4 million and change. The bond rating agencies have
only recently come out with some recommendations about the level of
reserves you need in rate stabilization, and we were simply projecting
that we needed to do that to keep them up to speed. The other thing that
we would point out --and, again, it's difficult to explain publicly --we were
originally looking at a 6% water rate increase; we now are
recommending to you a 3 % in water and 3 % in sewer. The combination
of 3 % water and 3 % sewer is $0.20 less out of the average bill than the
6 % we had originally contemplated. But fundamentally that's the reason
we need to keep our reserves as healthy as possible. Debbie, I don't
know if you have any other details you'd want to lay out there.
Debra Forte: That was one of the things we looked at when we changed
the proposal from 6.63 % in water to a zero, from the 0.663 in sewer was
to lessen the impact on the citizens, so we reversed, not only did we
reduce the 15 % to 12 %, we reversed the order so that it would lessen the
impact on the citizens, have the 3 % in the first year. Then, we are
drawing down our rate stabilization and reserves to do some capital
improvement projects for which we are not bonding.
Councilmember Hernandez: As a follow-up to the Mayor's question,
that's kind of an odd situation, isn't it? You're increasing the sewer rate
in order to have enough funds in your rate stabilization fund so that it
doesn't affect your bond rating, is what I'm hearing?
Debra Forte: Um -hum.
Bob Cass: That is a factor, yes.
Councilmember Hernandez: You use the rate stabilization fund to keep
your rates low, and yet...
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Debra Forte: It was built up and we've depleted it down to the level for
which you are recommended maintaining that level. For instance, when
you go out...
Councilmember Hernandez: The bond rating.
Debra Forte: Yes, because we've been in the bond market quite a bit
recently.
Bob Cass: I believe, Debbie, you indicated it had been six or seven
years, '93 or '94 since we had any rate impact in the sewer fund, and
that was about the time we were bringing on the wastewater treatment
plant, which was about a $50 million package, as I believe.
Debra Forte: And the budget since that particular time, not only the
capital but all the operational costs that we have incurred have been
absorbed by various cost recovery measures, and we've not passed on
any rate increases in that time.
Mayor Sitton: Does anybody else have a question?
Councilmember Hernandez: One last question and that is notice
requirements. Could you go over that?
Bob Cass: Anna was going to go over the calendar with you after we are
through with the Q&A. We've got a discussion of the calendar from her.
Councilmember Nelson: With regard to the wastewater fund increase,
the 3 %, I'm certainly not, I'm not in favor of that. According to the
figures that you gave us earlier, you are trying to raise an approximate
$420, 000 through that 3 % increase. Is that approximately right?
Bob Cass: That's correct.
Councilmember Nelson: The deferral of that increase might result in a
lower increase if we defer it until we get the new annexed properties on
line next year, we would spread that need for additional funding over
additional homes. In other words, there would be additional people...
That's already figured into it?
Bob Cass: No, the property, this is not property tax. This is the sewer
and the sewer will not even be installed for two more years, until 2002
we will not have the sewer installed in the newly annexed area and be
receiving any revenue at all.
Councilmember McDougal: And they don't have to go on it then.
Bob Cass: And they don't have to tie on at that point in time. Property
tax should be correct, but on sewer fund it's a different deal.
Councilmember Nelson: Alright. The fact that this is the first time that
I've heard about a sewer increase does not set well with me. And I know
that we've had the benefit of having a water rate increase advertised to
us and being prepared for that for three or four years. $420, 000 is to
me a small amount of money that we should be able to find elsewhere.
The General Fund, I've asked you for some additional information. We
may find some in those areas that I've asked you to give me some
information on, but I'm not in a position at this point in time to support a
sewer rate increase.
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Mayor Sitton: Well, I would like to make just one final comment before
we get a consensus on whether or not to ask you to file the budget. I've
had the opportunity to travel a lot and visit with a lot of mayors from a
lot of different cities. I might tell you, I'm extremely proud to be Mayor
and to live in the City of Lubbock. I think we have an extremely
competent staff who has listened to the public and who has said we want
a streamlined government; we want those high services at the least
amount that we can. I think you all have done a good job. What I
appreciate about what you do more than anything: you don't just live for
today. You're not just planning on today, you're looking five years, ten
years, fifteen years out. I think that serves our citizens very well and our
community very well, and I think that's why we are very sound
financially. I think that's why we are at the head of the pack in
infrastructure and all of those other things is because you all are
visionary. You know, we are adding some things to the budget, but
we're also taking some things away from the budget. I for one think it
brought us a very good budget. We've had time to work with you for a
long period of time now, telling you the things that we didn't support,
ask if you could cut out, and you've done those things, and I just wanted
to say thanks for what I consider a job well done. To be able to have the
high level of service that this city has --and I'm telling you our citizens
expect a lot and we give a lot --to not have a property rate increase in
how many years, now, that is. How many years is that?
Councilmember Cooke: At least ten or twelve.
Mayor Sitton: At least ten years, that's just unprecedented.
Councilmember Cooke: It's longer than that. T. J. says it was '64 when
he came and he's been on fifteen years now.
Mayor Sitton: And that doesn't just happen; you have to plan. I know
with Debbie coming on board being so good financially, it's certainly
been an asset to us. But I just want to thank you all. Now, I personally
don't have a problem with the budget. Is there consensus to file the
budget as is, or do you have other discussion?
Councilmember Hernandez: Could we just... There seems to be some
disagreement on one or two items. Could we just go over your list that
you proposed?
Bob Cass: Are you talking strictly in terms of rates?
Councilmember Hernandez: Well, no, your whole list. You said Lubbock
Police Department 6 %, personnel 4 % .
Councilmember Cooke: Keep in mind, though, that just because we
haven't filed the budget doesn't mean we've approved the budget. We're
not taking any action. It just allows them to make their legal obligation.
Councilmember Hernandez: But this would give you a consensus, would
it not?
Bob Cass: Stop me if I'm getting into too much detail...
Mayor Sitton: So, you're wanting to take each item, get a consensus on
each item, is that what you want, Victor?
Councilmember Hernandez: There's only like ten, I think.
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Bob Cass: Right, in terms of the big financial blocks of money, there's
really only five. Again, we indicated with the tax increase from the
water fund...
Councilmember Hernandez: So that's the first one.
Bob Cass: Right.
Councilmember Cooke: I'm in favor of no property tax increase.
All: I agree.
Mayor Sitton: It's unanimous. Okay, we don't vote; there is consensus.
Bob Cass: The second one was a water rate increase of 3%, the first of a
three-year series, three, four and five, but this year it would be 3 %;
sewer rate increase of 3 %, the first of two, two-year sequences the way
we're recommending three and three. Then the Community Improvement
Fund, basically shifting $1 million in revenue from the Solid Waste Fund
into the Community Improvement Fund. So there's no consensus yet,
and we're not recommending at this point doing anything on the
stormwater rate until we have more information. So the only rate
increases we're talking about are water and sewer and then the other big
one is the shifting of the money from the Solid Waste Fund into the
Community Improvement Fund.
Councilmember Hernandez: Which we've already done.
Mayor Sitton: Yes, we've already done that, it was 6-1, I believe. We
didn't vote; we got consensus, didn't we?
Bob Cass: Now, if you're talking about the other in terms of
compensation, we're talking about 4 % performance based for all non -
civil service employees, 4 % for fire civil service employees, plus roughly
$280,000 for assignment pay in the fire department, and then 6% across
the board for police.
Mayor Sitton: Does anybody have a problem with that one?
Councilmember Cooke: I'll just say that for what it's worth, I really like
the budget the way they've put it together. I'm really disappointed to
hear that you didn't know about the three -cent increase. I guess maybe
it's because I'm around here so much that I've kind of followed this thing
as it's been put together over the last few weeks. But I'm really proud of
the fact that we took that 3 % out of our water increase. One way of
maybe looking at that is a tradeoff: I like the idea of going ahead and
doing three cents now and three cents next year, instead of that six cents
at one time. It just allows you to kind of work your way into it and the
same way, obviously, with the water thing, three, four, five. I hate that
we have to do it. You've got to have a sewer and we've got to have
water. One way of looking at it when you look at other ways of
collecting it or making up the deficit, one of the priorities of this Council
for the last several years is cost recovery and user fees. The people that
are using it are paying for it.
Councilmember Hernandez: And another way that you might want to
look at recovering it is impact fees. We've talked about that
periodically.
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Mayor Sitton: Okay, Victor, are you okay now?
Councilmember Hernandez: Thank you, Mayor.
Mayor Sitton: So, we do have consensus to file the budget, as is.
Bob Cass: As presented?
Mayor Sitton: As presented.
2:08 P. M. COUNCIL ADJOURNED
There being no further business to come before Council, Councilmember
Patterson made a motion to adjourn; Councilmember Nelson seconded
the motion. Motion carried: 5 Yeas, 0 Nays. Motion carried with the
majority of remaining Council present at adjournment (Mayor Sitton and
Councilmembers Ince, Hernandez, Nelson, and Patterson).
WI Y SITT, MAYOR
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Kaythie Parnell, City Secretary
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